speedometer & odometer
#1
speedometer & odometer not working
I’ve took out my cluster & the gear was not broken. Both of my odometer n speedometer aren’t working. I then took off the speed sensor on my rear diff lock but it was not broken but i replaced with a duralast sensor But still nothing is working.. any help? 98 ford ranger 4x4 v6 3.0.
Last edited by fopez; 08-17-2020 at 09:50 PM.
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Welcome to the forum
In 1998-2000 Ranger the GEM module converts the speed signal
BUT............................if GEM wasn't working you would have a P0500 code in the computer AND CEL(check engine light) would be ON all the time
Since there is no reported P0500 code then rear axle sensor is OK, and GEM Module is OK
So that leaves wiring to cluster, IF................BOTH Speedo and Odo are not working, speedo/odo share the ONE speed signal wire from GEM
Wouldn't be speed or odo motors since each has its own motor
Wiring or "pin" on the cluster plug is the issue
Look at the wiring diagram
C215, center connector, pin 1, grey/black stripe wire, thats the Speed signal from the GEM, its shared by the speedo and odo
The GEM just has 1 grey/black wire OUT, it is spliced and goes to the Cluster, Computer and to Cruise(if so equipped), so they all use that one signal wire from GEM
Also just FYI, if the rear axle sensor fails, the ABS light will also come on, as thats the ABS sensor not the "speed sensor" it was just used as a speed sensor from 1998-2000
In 1998-2000 Ranger the GEM module converts the speed signal
BUT............................if GEM wasn't working you would have a P0500 code in the computer AND CEL(check engine light) would be ON all the time
Since there is no reported P0500 code then rear axle sensor is OK, and GEM Module is OK
So that leaves wiring to cluster, IF................BOTH Speedo and Odo are not working, speedo/odo share the ONE speed signal wire from GEM
Wouldn't be speed or odo motors since each has its own motor
Wiring or "pin" on the cluster plug is the issue
Look at the wiring diagram
C215, center connector, pin 1, grey/black stripe wire, thats the Speed signal from the GEM, its shared by the speedo and odo
The GEM just has 1 grey/black wire OUT, it is spliced and goes to the Cluster, Computer and to Cruise(if so equipped), so they all use that one signal wire from GEM
Also just FYI, if the rear axle sensor fails, the ABS light will also come on, as thats the ABS sensor not the "speed sensor" it was just used as a speed sensor from 1998-2000
Last edited by RonD; 08-17-2020 at 09:40 PM.
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Yes, thats the Speed signal wire pin 1, Grey/black stripe
Its for both speedo and odometer
Its spliced to GEM module pin 1, 18/pin connector
If you have a equipment you could jack up the rear wheels, and start engine put in any forward gear and test for AC Volts on that wire
The next wire over is a Ground, black/white stripe wire
Set meter to AC Volts, touch probes to those two wires and you should see .5-1.5 AC volts it rear wheels are spinning
If you see AC Volts then cluster is bad, if you don't then wiring or GEM module is bad, but you should have code P0500 if GEM was bad
Its for both speedo and odometer
Its spliced to GEM module pin 1, 18/pin connector
If you have a equipment you could jack up the rear wheels, and start engine put in any forward gear and test for AC Volts on that wire
The next wire over is a Ground, black/white stripe wire
Set meter to AC Volts, touch probes to those two wires and you should see .5-1.5 AC volts it rear wheels are spinning
If you see AC Volts then cluster is bad, if you don't then wiring or GEM module is bad, but you should have code P0500 if GEM was bad
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Yes, the ONE speed signal wire on the back of the cluster, grey with black stripe wire
Speedo and odo each have their own electric motors, but both share the one signal wire for speed than comes from the GEM module in 1998-2000 Rangers
This grey/black wire is split 3 ways in the dash wiring
From GEM, behind radio, to goes to the computer, cruise control and instrument cluster
So if no P0500 code then computer is getting the signal
If cruise holds speed then its getting to cruise module
If no speedo or odo then its not getting to cluster
So back of cluster would be the first stop, to check that wire, pin 1 on center connector
Its possible a trace on the cluster is damaged, longshot but not a no shot
You should pull the radio at the same time, and then you could test the connection between GEM's Grey/black wire and cluster's grey/black wire with OHM Meter
If no connection then you could easily run a new wire vs trying to track down where it broke
Grey/black wire is also Pin 1 on GEMs 18 wire connector
Speedo and odo each have their own electric motors, but both share the one signal wire for speed than comes from the GEM module in 1998-2000 Rangers
This grey/black wire is split 3 ways in the dash wiring
From GEM, behind radio, to goes to the computer, cruise control and instrument cluster
So if no P0500 code then computer is getting the signal
If cruise holds speed then its getting to cruise module
If no speedo or odo then its not getting to cluster
So back of cluster would be the first stop, to check that wire, pin 1 on center connector
Its possible a trace on the cluster is damaged, longshot but not a no shot
You should pull the radio at the same time, and then you could test the connection between GEM's Grey/black wire and cluster's grey/black wire with OHM Meter
If no connection then you could easily run a new wire vs trying to track down where it broke
Grey/black wire is also Pin 1 on GEMs 18 wire connector
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Yes, the ONE speed signal wire on the back of the cluster, grey with black stripe wire
Speedo and odo each have their own electric motors, but both share the one signal wire for speed than comes from the GEM module in 1998-2000 Rangers
This grey/black wire is split 3 ways in the dash wiring
From GEM, behind radio, to goes to the computer, cruise control and instrument cluster
So if no P0500 code then computer is getting the signal
If cruise holds speed then its getting to cruise module
If no speedo or odo then its not getting to cluster
So back of cluster would be the first stop, to check that wire, pin 1 on center connector
Its possible a trace on the cluster is damaged, longshot but not a no shot
You should pull the radio at the same time, and then you could test the connection between GEM's Grey/black wire and cluster's grey/black wire with OHM Meter
If no connection then you could easily run a new wire vs trying to track down where it broke
Grey/black wire is also Pin 1 on GEMs 18 wire connector
Speedo and odo each have their own electric motors, but both share the one signal wire for speed than comes from the GEM module in 1998-2000 Rangers
This grey/black wire is split 3 ways in the dash wiring
From GEM, behind radio, to goes to the computer, cruise control and instrument cluster
So if no P0500 code then computer is getting the signal
If cruise holds speed then its getting to cruise module
If no speedo or odo then its not getting to cluster
So back of cluster would be the first stop, to check that wire, pin 1 on center connector
Its possible a trace on the cluster is damaged, longshot but not a no shot
You should pull the radio at the same time, and then you could test the connection between GEM's Grey/black wire and cluster's grey/black wire with OHM Meter
If no connection then you could easily run a new wire vs trying to track down where it broke
Grey/black wire is also Pin 1 on GEMs 18 wire connector
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If cruise works then GEM is putting out a good speed signal on its grey/black wire
If computer doesn't have code P0500 then GEM is putting out a good speed signal on its grey/black wire
Use an OHM meter between grey/black wire on GEM to grey/black wire on cluster, 0 ohms means good connection
If not 0 ohms then run a new wire
If it is 0 ohms then cluster has the problem inside
If computer doesn't have code P0500 then GEM is putting out a good speed signal on its grey/black wire
Use an OHM meter between grey/black wire on GEM to grey/black wire on cluster, 0 ohms means good connection
If not 0 ohms then run a new wire
If it is 0 ohms then cluster has the problem inside
#16
If cruise works then GEM is putting out a good speed signal on its grey/black wire
If computer doesn't have code P0500 then GEM is putting out a good speed signal on its grey/black wire
Use an OHM meter between grey/black wire on GEM to grey/black wire on cluster, 0 ohms means good connection
If not 0 ohms then run a new wire
If it is 0 ohms then cluster has the problem inside
If computer doesn't have code P0500 then GEM is putting out a good speed signal on its grey/black wire
Use an OHM meter between grey/black wire on GEM to grey/black wire on cluster, 0 ohms means good connection
If not 0 ohms then run a new wire
If it is 0 ohms then cluster has the problem inside
#17
I couldn't find any splices for the Gray/black wire behind the radio. It goes from the GEM to behind the instrument panel. I put a meter on that wire, I get 10vac and 5vdc when moving 0v when I stop. So far my speedometer hasn't quit working yet, only drove 5 miles will keep testing for about a week with the meter hooked up.
#18
For the past 2 days my odometer, tripometer has been working fine on a cold start for the first mile or so. My speedo jumps but is off about 20 mph the same time as my odometer is working. Once My engine temp. reaches the high temp both odometer tripometer and speedo stops working. The speedo stops at 20 mph when it stops working. I know my engine runs hot since it gets high temperature quickly, the coolant is a quarter below from the coolant line but not sure why my speedo and odometer only works when i first start driving on a cold start then suddenly stops once my engine temp reaches high
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For the past 2 days my odometer, tripometer has been working fine on a cold start for the first mile or so. My speedo jumps but is off about 20 mph the same time as my odometer is working. Once My engine temp. reaches the high temp both odometer tripometer and speedo stops working. The speedo stops at 20 mph when it stops working. I know my engine runs hot since it gets high temperature quickly, the coolant is a quarter below from the coolant line but not sure why my speedo and odometer only works when i first start driving on a cold start then suddenly stops once my engine temp reaches high
What YEAR Ranger?
Ford changed speed system several times on the 1983 to 2011 Ranger models
No, there is no relationship between engine temp and any speed system used, its more likely drive time related, speedometer use time
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Mine seems to be fixed. The back panel was the problem. My old speedometer works in the new panel. The new speedometer would not work in the old panel.
So it is probably a bad connection in back of the panel on the flexible pcb. There is 2 layers of pcb, the bottom layer has the connection for the blk/gry wire
So it is probably a bad connection in back of the panel on the flexible pcb. There is 2 layers of pcb, the bottom layer has the connection for the blk/gry wire