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#52
I am not sure where you get your fuel yet I would keep buying it. The crap we get around here will go south after a few years and cause all sorts of issues.
I purchased a Toyota in 2006 from my co worker, it sat not running for two a half years and yes it went bad very very bad.( pull the gas tank replace the entire fuel delivery system bad.
Not only did the fuel turn to a varnish like substance but the sending unit looked like I pulled it out of a tar pit.
There was also a thick black gooey tar like substance coating the entire bottom of the tank.
I still have pictures of this mess somewhere, when I get time I will post them.
The same thing was found with a motorcycle I purchased to flip that sat for less than two years I bought that bike around 2011.
None of this counts the numerous vehicles I have worked on over the years that sat not running that required a complete fuel delivery system over haul and tank cleaning or tank replacement.
None of those vehicles had leaded fuel.
If anything regular unleaded without ethanol blends would last longer and not rust out fuel tanks and sending units like I have seen with the blended fuel.
Blended fuel of today goes through what I think they call phase separation and it can cause major problems. I suggest you read more about t.
Anything you want to call it varnish bad fuel garbage fuel today's fuel sucks and is designed to trash your vehicle from the inside out
And has not business in vehicles costing as much as they do today.
I purchased a Toyota in 2006 from my co worker, it sat not running for two a half years and yes it went bad very very bad.( pull the gas tank replace the entire fuel delivery system bad.
Not only did the fuel turn to a varnish like substance but the sending unit looked like I pulled it out of a tar pit.
There was also a thick black gooey tar like substance coating the entire bottom of the tank.
I still have pictures of this mess somewhere, when I get time I will post them.
The same thing was found with a motorcycle I purchased to flip that sat for less than two years I bought that bike around 2011.
None of this counts the numerous vehicles I have worked on over the years that sat not running that required a complete fuel delivery system over haul and tank cleaning or tank replacement.
None of those vehicles had leaded fuel.
If anything regular unleaded without ethanol blends would last longer and not rust out fuel tanks and sending units like I have seen with the blended fuel.
Blended fuel of today goes through what I think they call phase separation and it can cause major problems. I suggest you read more about t.
Anything you want to call it varnish bad fuel garbage fuel today's fuel sucks and is designed to trash your vehicle from the inside out
And has not business in vehicles costing as much as they do today.
Last edited by EaOutlaw; 09-06-2017 at 12:19 PM.
#53
I am not sure where you get your fuel yet I would keep buying it. The crap we get around here will go south after a few years and cause all sorts of issues.
I purchased a Toyota in 2006 from my co worker, it sat not running for two a half years and yes it went bad very very bad.( pull the gas tank replace the entire fuel delivery system bad.
Not only did the fuel turn to a varnish like substance but the sending unit looked like I pulled it out of a tar pit.
There was also a thick black gooey tar like substance coating the entire bottom of the tank.
I still have pictures of this mess somewhere, when I get time I will post them.
The same thing was found with a motorcycle I purchased to flip that sat for less than two years I bought that bike around 2011.
None of this counts the numerous vehicles I have worked on over the years that sat not running that required a complete fuel delivery system over haul and tank cleaning or tank replacement.
None of those vehicles had leaded fuel.
If anything regular unleaded without ethanol blends would last longer and not rust out fuel tanks and sending units like I have seen with the blended fuel.
Blended fuel of today goes through what I think they call phase separation and it can cause major problems. I suggest you read more about t.
Anything you want to call it varnish bad fuel garbage fuel today's fuel sucks and is designed to trash your vehicle from the inside out
And has not business in vehicles costing as much as they do today.
I purchased a Toyota in 2006 from my co worker, it sat not running for two a half years and yes it went bad very very bad.( pull the gas tank replace the entire fuel delivery system bad.
Not only did the fuel turn to a varnish like substance but the sending unit looked like I pulled it out of a tar pit.
There was also a thick black gooey tar like substance coating the entire bottom of the tank.
I still have pictures of this mess somewhere, when I get time I will post them.
The same thing was found with a motorcycle I purchased to flip that sat for less than two years I bought that bike around 2011.
None of this counts the numerous vehicles I have worked on over the years that sat not running that required a complete fuel delivery system over haul and tank cleaning or tank replacement.
None of those vehicles had leaded fuel.
If anything regular unleaded without ethanol blends would last longer and not rust out fuel tanks and sending units like I have seen with the blended fuel.
Blended fuel of today goes through what I think they call phase separation and it can cause major problems. I suggest you read more about t.
Anything you want to call it varnish bad fuel garbage fuel today's fuel sucks and is designed to trash your vehicle from the inside out
And has not business in vehicles costing as much as they do today.
#55
Well, I won't argue the subject. Everyone's mileage may vary (pun intended). I just know I haven't had an issue with fuel turning to varnish in at least 30 years. Nor have I talked to anyone who has. But... I live in Southern Indiana. I don't know where Lake Worth is located.
BTW: Yep, that is one NASTY gas tank. :)
BTW: Yep, that is one NASTY gas tank. :)
#57
climate plays a big role in evaporation, extream heat can evaporate fuel much faster causing fuel to seperate and go bad faster.
I live in south Florida water and or moisture found in blended fuels will come out of solution faster here than in colder climates.
Yet all fuel blended none blended even diesel fuel needs to stay fresh to avoid issues.
At least diesel fuel can be polishied on site yearly if stored in bulk to keep it fresh.
I live in south Florida water and or moisture found in blended fuels will come out of solution faster here than in colder climates.
Yet all fuel blended none blended even diesel fuel needs to stay fresh to avoid issues.
At least diesel fuel can be polishied on site yearly if stored in bulk to keep it fresh.
#58
climate plays a big role in evaporation, extream heat can evaporate fuel much faster causing fuel to seperate and go bad faster.
I live in south Florida water and or moisture found in blended fuels will come out of solution faster here than in colder climates.
Yet all fuel blended none blended even diesel fuel needs to stay fresh to avoid issues.
At least diesel fuel can be polishied on site yearly if stored in bulk to keep it fresh.
I live in south Florida water and or moisture found in blended fuels will come out of solution faster here than in colder climates.
Yet all fuel blended none blended even diesel fuel needs to stay fresh to avoid issues.
At least diesel fuel can be polishied on site yearly if stored in bulk to keep it fresh.
#59
climate plays a big role in evaporation, extream heat can evaporate fuel much faster causing fuel to seperate and go bad faster.
I live in south Florida water and or moisture found in blended fuels will come out of solution faster here than in colder climates.
Yet all fuel blended none blended even diesel fuel needs to stay fresh to avoid issues.
At least diesel fuel can be polishied on site yearly if stored in bulk to keep it fresh.
I live in south Florida water and or moisture found in blended fuels will come out of solution faster here than in colder climates.
Yet all fuel blended none blended even diesel fuel needs to stay fresh to avoid issues.
At least diesel fuel can be polishied on site yearly if stored in bulk to keep it fresh.
#62
#63
also on the oil pump gear someone has white marks on a tooth five teeth down clockwise from where the triangle is ? I Lined the pump gear triangle straight up to the mark on the housing of the timing cover which is not a factory mark just white paint line
#64
[QUOTE=RonB;2125502] also on the oil pump gear someone has white marks on a tooth five teeth down clockwise from where the triangle is ? I Lined the pump gear triangle straight up to the mark on the housing of the timing cover which is not a factory mark just white paint line[/OK update the Mark does not go straight up as most internet says you take a straight edge from the cam gear to the oll pump gear and line them up that's where your timing is and that is why someone marked white paint on five teeth down .but that is not the problem why mine is still not running. 😡
#65
[QUOTE=RonB;2125507]
correct me if I am wrong but this 94 ranger 4 x 4 2.3 L during that year they changed from a cam sensor to a crank sensor therefore where the distributors should have been is a plug so now the computer does all the work there is no cam sensor am i correct? By the time I am done with his job trying to figure out what's wrong I will be trained on ford rangers. If not im chevy bound!!
also on the oil pump gear someone has white marks on a tooth five teeth down clockwise from where the triangle is ? I Lined the pump gear triangle straight up to the mark on the housing of the timing cover which is not a factory mark just white paint line[/OK update the Mark does not go straight up as most internet says you take a straight edge from the cam gear to the oll pump gear and line them up that's where your timing is and that is why someone marked white paint on five teeth down .but that is not the problem why mine is still not running. 😡
#66
[QUOTE=RonB;2125507]
correct me if I am wrong but this 94 ranger 4 x 4 2.3 L during that year they changed from a cam sensor to a crank sensor therefore where the distributors should have been is a plug so now the computer does all the work there is no cam sensor am i correct? By the time I am done with his job trying to figure out what's wrong I will be trained on ford rangers. If not im chevy bound!!
also on the oil pump gear someone has white marks on a tooth five teeth down clockwise from where the triangle is ? I Lined the pump gear triangle straight up to the mark on the housing of the timing cover which is not a factory mark just white paint line[/OK update the Mark does not go straight up as most internet says you take a straight edge from the cam gear to the oll pump gear and line them up that's where your timing is and that is why someone marked white paint on five teeth down .but that is not the problem why mine is still not running. 😡
#67
#68
With the fuel pressure gauge attached and the truck running while using the secondary fuel what is the pressure?
Do you lose fuel pressure while the truck is running with the secondary fuel?
Some vehicles will shut down the fuel pump if you lose oil pressure, I do not have a manual for your Ranger to know if it is wired this way.
The painted mark on the oil pump gear was likely from someone whom changed the timing belt and was not sure if the oil pump has to be timed with the rest of the gears.
With what I have seen you post so far you have spark, compression and fuel, injector reference pulse, yet the only thing I do not know for sure is if the fuel pump drops off when the engine is running with secondary fuel.
Once you answer that question we can continue, Sorry it has taken so long for me to respond but I have been dealing with our tiny Storm Irma LOL
Right now i am lucky to have power and internet since over 25,000 people in Palm Beach County already has lost power.
So If you do not hear back from me in a while and you find out the fuel pressure drops
You have a few options.
One get a service manual and research if lack of oil pressure or low oil pressure could interrupt the fuel pump which I think it can.
If it can then connect a oil pressure gauge ( yes I know yet another diagnostic tool )
You cannot trust the dash gauge for this.
let us know the results.
I would think if you had low or no oil pressure the engine would be pretty noisy when running off of secondary fuel.
So I doubt oil pressure is the problem yet you should test it to know for sure but only after you find out if the lack of oil pressure could interrupt your fuel pump
Do you lose fuel pressure while the truck is running with the secondary fuel?
Some vehicles will shut down the fuel pump if you lose oil pressure, I do not have a manual for your Ranger to know if it is wired this way.
The painted mark on the oil pump gear was likely from someone whom changed the timing belt and was not sure if the oil pump has to be timed with the rest of the gears.
With what I have seen you post so far you have spark, compression and fuel, injector reference pulse, yet the only thing I do not know for sure is if the fuel pump drops off when the engine is running with secondary fuel.
Once you answer that question we can continue, Sorry it has taken so long for me to respond but I have been dealing with our tiny Storm Irma LOL
Right now i am lucky to have power and internet since over 25,000 people in Palm Beach County already has lost power.
So If you do not hear back from me in a while and you find out the fuel pressure drops
You have a few options.
One get a service manual and research if lack of oil pressure or low oil pressure could interrupt the fuel pump which I think it can.
If it can then connect a oil pressure gauge ( yes I know yet another diagnostic tool )
You cannot trust the dash gauge for this.
let us know the results.
I would think if you had low or no oil pressure the engine would be pretty noisy when running off of secondary fuel.
So I doubt oil pressure is the problem yet you should test it to know for sure but only after you find out if the lack of oil pressure could interrupt your fuel pump
#69
With the fuel pressure gauge attached and the truck running while using the secondary fuel what is the pressure?
Do you lose fuel pressure while the truck is running with the secondary fuel?
Some vehicles will shut down the fuel pump if you lose oil pressure, I do not have a manual for your Ranger to know if it is wired this way.
The painted mark on the oil pump gear was likely from someone whom changed the timing belt and was not sure if the oil pump has to be timed with the rest of the gears.
With what I have seen you post so far you have spark, compression and fuel, injector reference pulse, yet the only thing I do not know for sure is if the fuel pump drops off when the engine is running with secondary fuel.
Once you answer that question we can continue, Sorry it has taken so long for me to respond but I have been dealing with our tiny Storm Irma LOL
Right now i am lucky to have power and internet since over 25,000 people in Palm Beach County already has lost power.
So If you do not hear back from me in a while and you find out the fuel pressure drops
You have a few options.
One get a service manual and research if lack of oil pressure or low oil pressure could interrupt the fuel pump which I think it can.
If it can then connect a oil pressure gauge ( yes I know yet another diagnostic tool )
You cannot trust the dash gauge for this.
let us know the results.
I would think if you had low or no oil pressure the engine would be pretty noisy when running off of secondary fuel.
So I doubt oil pressure is the problem yet you should test it to know for sure but only after you find out if the lack of oil pressure could interrupt your fuel pump
Do you lose fuel pressure while the truck is running with the secondary fuel?
Some vehicles will shut down the fuel pump if you lose oil pressure, I do not have a manual for your Ranger to know if it is wired this way.
The painted mark on the oil pump gear was likely from someone whom changed the timing belt and was not sure if the oil pump has to be timed with the rest of the gears.
With what I have seen you post so far you have spark, compression and fuel, injector reference pulse, yet the only thing I do not know for sure is if the fuel pump drops off when the engine is running with secondary fuel.
Once you answer that question we can continue, Sorry it has taken so long for me to respond but I have been dealing with our tiny Storm Irma LOL
Right now i am lucky to have power and internet since over 25,000 people in Palm Beach County already has lost power.
So If you do not hear back from me in a while and you find out the fuel pressure drops
You have a few options.
One get a service manual and research if lack of oil pressure or low oil pressure could interrupt the fuel pump which I think it can.
If it can then connect a oil pressure gauge ( yes I know yet another diagnostic tool )
You cannot trust the dash gauge for this.
let us know the results.
I would think if you had low or no oil pressure the engine would be pretty noisy when running off of secondary fuel.
So I doubt oil pressure is the problem yet you should test it to know for sure but only after you find out if the lack of oil pressure could interrupt your fuel pump
#70
So your saying you can keep the truck running with secondary fuel in a spray can and the fuel pump stays steady at 40'psi and the truck cuts off once you stop spraying the secondary fuel and you still have 40 psi once the truck dies?
If this is the case the fuel in your tank may have a lot of water in it sitting at the bottom of the tank.
If this is not the case please explain, leave out no detail the more information you provide the better chance we have of helping.
If this is the case the fuel in your tank may have a lot of water in it sitting at the bottom of the tank.
If this is not the case please explain, leave out no detail the more information you provide the better chance we have of helping.
#71
So your saying you can keep the truck running with secondary fuel in a spray can and the fuel pump stays steady at 40'psi and the truck cuts off once you stop spraying the secondary fuel and you still have 40 psi once the truck dies?
If this is the case the fuel in your tank may have a lot of water in it sitting at the bottom of the tank.
If this is not the case please explain, leave out no detail the more information you provide the better chance we have of helping.
If this is the case the fuel in your tank may have a lot of water in it sitting at the bottom of the tank.
If this is not the case please explain, leave out no detail the more information you provide the better chance we have of helping.
#73
So your saying you can keep the truck running with secondary fuel in a spray can and the fuel pump stays steady at 40'psi and the truck cuts off once you stop spraying the secondary fuel and you still have 40 psi once the truck dies?
If this is the case the fuel in your tank may have a lot of water in it sitting at the bottom of the tank.
If this is not the case please explain, leave out no detail the more information you provide the better chance we have of helping.
If this is the case the fuel in your tank may have a lot of water in it sitting at the bottom of the tank.
If this is not the case please explain, leave out no detail the more information you provide the better chance we have of helping.
#74
BTW if I haven't mentioned it this four cylinder has 8 plugs they're all new plugs & new wires new calls all that
#75