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Just FYI: today's gasoline blends can sit for years and never turn to varnish like the old leaded gasoline would.
 
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I am not sure where you get your fuel yet I would keep buying it. The crap we get around here will go south after a few years and cause all sorts of issues.

I purchased a Toyota in 2006 from my co worker, it sat not running for two a half years and yes it went bad very very bad.( pull the gas tank replace the entire fuel delivery system bad.

Not only did the fuel turn to a varnish like substance but the sending unit looked like I pulled it out of a tar pit.

There was also a thick black gooey tar like substance coating the entire bottom of the tank.

I still have pictures of this mess somewhere, when I get time I will post them.

The same thing was found with a motorcycle I purchased to flip that sat for less than two years I bought that bike around 2011.

None of this counts the numerous vehicles I have worked on over the years that sat not running that required a complete fuel delivery system over haul and tank cleaning or tank replacement.

None of those vehicles had leaded fuel.

If anything regular unleaded without ethanol blends would last longer and not rust out fuel tanks and sending units like I have seen with the blended fuel.

Blended fuel of today goes through what I think they call phase separation and it can cause major problems. I suggest you read more about t.

Anything you want to call it varnish bad fuel garbage fuel today's fuel sucks and is designed to trash your vehicle from the inside out
And has not business in vehicles costing as much as they do today.
 

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I am not sure where you get your fuel yet I would keep buying it. The crap we get around here will go south after a few years and cause all sorts of issues.

I purchased a Toyota in 2006 from my co worker, it sat not running for two a half years and yes it went bad very very bad.( pull the gas tank replace the entire fuel delivery system bad.

Not only did the fuel turn to a varnish like substance but the sending unit looked like I pulled it out of a tar pit.

There was also a thick black gooey tar like substance coating the entire bottom of the tank.

I still have pictures of this mess somewhere, when I get time I will post them.

The same thing was found with a motorcycle I purchased to flip that sat for less than two years I bought that bike around 2011.

None of this counts the numerous vehicles I have worked on over the years that sat not running that required a complete fuel delivery system over haul and tank cleaning or tank replacement.

None of those vehicles had leaded fuel.

If anything regular unleaded without ethanol blends would last longer and not rust out fuel tanks and sending units like I have seen with the blended fuel.

Blended fuel of today goes through what I think they call phase separation and it can cause major problems. I suggest you read more about t.

Anything you want to call it varnish bad fuel garbage fuel today's fuel sucks and is designed to trash your vehicle from the inside out
And has not business in vehicles costing as much as they do today.
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Here are a few pictures of the Toyota tank and sending unit I was talking about these pictures were taken in 2010
 
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Well, I won't argue the subject. Everyone's mileage may vary (pun intended). I just know I haven't had an issue with fuel turning to varnish in at least 30 years. Nor have I talked to anyone who has. But... I live in Southern Indiana. I don't know where Lake Worth is located.

BTW: Yep, that is one NASTY gas tank. :)
 
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Current fuel will absolutely turn to varnish. I've experienced it on motorcycles, pressure washers, generators, etc just in the last couple of years. Anything that sits for long will eventually become a problem.
 
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climate plays a big role in evaporation, extream heat can evaporate fuel much faster causing fuel to seperate and go bad faster.
I live in south Florida water and or moisture found in blended fuels will come out of solution faster here than in colder climates.

Yet all fuel blended none blended even diesel fuel needs to stay fresh to avoid issues.

At least diesel fuel can be polishied on site yearly if stored in bulk to keep it fresh.
 
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Originally Posted by EaOutlaw
climate plays a big role in evaporation, extream heat can evaporate fuel much faster causing fuel to seperate and go bad faster.
I live in south Florida water and or moisture found in blended fuels will come out of solution faster here than in colder climates.

Yet all fuel blended none blended even diesel fuel needs to stay fresh to avoid issues.

At least diesel fuel can be polishied on site yearly if stored in bulk to keep it fresh.
yeah that looks bad I bet you had your hands full
 
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Originally Posted by EaOutlaw
climate plays a big role in evaporation, extream heat can evaporate fuel much faster causing fuel to seperate and go bad faster.
I live in south Florida water and or moisture found in blended fuels will come out of solution faster here than in colder climates.

Yet all fuel blended none blended even diesel fuel needs to stay fresh to avoid issues.

At least diesel fuel can be polishied on site yearly if stored in bulk to keep it fresh.
yeah that looks bad I bet you had your hands full ..
 
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yeah that looks bad I bet you had your hands full ..
ok this thought just occurred to me. Does it matter which coil pack goes where?? They look identical
 
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I doubt it, to make sure look at the part numbers
 
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Fuel pressure

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I doubt it, to make sure look at the part numbers
ok got my fuel pressure tester in today. Pressure is holding at 35 psi. All injectors clicking and power and pulsating.
 
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ok got my fuel pressure tester in today. Pressure is holding at 35 psi. All injectors clicking and power and pulsating.
also on the oil pump gear someone has white marks on a tooth five teeth down clockwise from where the triangle is ? I Lined the pump gear triangle straight up to the mark on the housing of the timing cover which is not a factory mark just white paint line
 
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[QUOTE=RonB;2125502] also on the oil pump gear someone has white marks on a tooth five teeth down clockwise from where the triangle is ? I Lined the pump gear triangle straight up to the mark on the housing of the timing cover which is not a factory mark just white paint line[/OK update the Mark does not go straight up as most internet says you take a straight edge from the cam gear to the oll pump gear and line them up that's where your timing is and that is why someone marked white paint on five teeth down .but that is not the problem why mine is still not running. 😡
 
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also on the oil pump gear someone has white marks on a tooth five teeth down clockwise from where the triangle is ? I Lined the pump gear triangle straight up to the mark on the housing of the timing cover which is not a factory mark just white paint line[/OK update the Mark does not go straight up as most internet says you take a straight edge from the cam gear to the oll pump gear and line them up that's where your timing is and that is why someone marked white paint on five teeth down .but that is not the problem why mine is still not running. 😡
correct me if I am wrong but this 94 ranger 4 x 4 2.3 L during that year they changed from a cam sensor to a crank sensor therefore where the distributors should have been is a plug so now the computer does all the work there is no cam sensor am i correct? By the time I am done with his job trying to figure out what's wrong I will be trained on ford rangers. If not im chevy bound!!
 
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also on the oil pump gear someone has white marks on a tooth five teeth down clockwise from where the triangle is ? I Lined the pump gear triangle straight up to the mark on the housing of the timing cover which is not a factory mark just white paint line[/OK update the Mark does not go straight up as most internet says you take a straight edge from the cam gear to the oll pump gear and line them up that's where your timing is and that is why someone marked white paint on five teeth down .but that is not the problem why mine is still not running. 😡
correct me if I am wrong but this 94 ranger 4 x 4 2.3 L during that year they changed from a cam sensor to a crank sensor therefore where the distributors should have been is a plug so now the computer does all the work there is no cam sensor am i correct? By the time I am done with his job trying to figure out what's wrong I will be trained on ford rangers. If not im chevy bound!!
 
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Your fuel pressure seems good, how long has it held 35 psi?

Here is the fuel pressure specs i found for your truck but it is from a online unverified source .

The fuel pressure on your 1994 with the 2.3 is as follows.
Key On Engine Off 35 - 45 psi
Key On Engine Running 30 - 40 psi
 
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With the fuel pressure gauge attached and the truck running while using the secondary fuel what is the pressure?

Do you lose fuel pressure while the truck is running with the secondary fuel?

Some vehicles will shut down the fuel pump if you lose oil pressure, I do not have a manual for your Ranger to know if it is wired this way.

The painted mark on the oil pump gear was likely from someone whom changed the timing belt and was not sure if the oil pump has to be timed with the rest of the gears.

With what I have seen you post so far you have spark, compression and fuel, injector reference pulse, yet the only thing I do not know for sure is if the fuel pump drops off when the engine is running with secondary fuel.

Once you answer that question we can continue, Sorry it has taken so long for me to respond but I have been dealing with our tiny Storm Irma LOL

Right now i am lucky to have power and internet since over 25,000 people in Palm Beach County already has lost power.

So If you do not hear back from me in a while and you find out the fuel pressure drops
You have a few options.

One get a service manual and research if lack of oil pressure or low oil pressure could interrupt the fuel pump which I think it can.

If it can then connect a oil pressure gauge ( yes I know yet another diagnostic tool )

You cannot trust the dash gauge for this.

let us know the results.

I would think if you had low or no oil pressure the engine would be pretty noisy when running off of secondary fuel.

So I doubt oil pressure is the problem yet you should test it to know for sure but only after you find out if the lack of oil pressure could interrupt your fuel pump
 
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Originally Posted by EaOutlaw
With the fuel pressure gauge attached and the truck running while using the secondary fuel what is the pressure?

Do you lose fuel pressure while the truck is running with the secondary fuel?

Some vehicles will shut down the fuel pump if you lose oil pressure, I do not have a manual for your Ranger to know if it is wired this way.

The painted mark on the oil pump gear was likely from someone whom changed the timing belt and was not sure if the oil pump has to be timed with the rest of the gears.

With what I have seen you post so far you have spark, compression and fuel, injector reference pulse, yet the only thing I do not know for sure is if the fuel pump drops off when the engine is running with secondary fuel.

Once you answer that question we can continue, Sorry it has taken so long for me to respond but I have been dealing with our tiny Storm Irma LOL

Right now i am lucky to have power and internet since over 25,000 people in Palm Beach County already has lost power.

So If you do not hear back from me in a while and you find out the fuel pressure drops
You have a few options.

One get a service manual and research if lack of oil pressure or low oil pressure could interrupt the fuel pump which I think it can.

If it can then connect a oil pressure gauge ( yes I know yet another diagnostic tool )

You cannot trust the dash gauge for this.

let us know the results.

I would think if you had low or no oil pressure the engine would be pretty noisy when running off of secondary fuel.

So I doubt oil pressure is the problem yet you should test it to know for sure but only after you find out if the lack of oil pressure could interrupt your fuel pump
The fuel pressure goes up to 40 when it startsnot sure about oil pressure but gauge shows it's got good oil pressure
 
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So your saying you can keep the truck running with secondary fuel in a spray can and the fuel pump stays steady at 40'psi and the truck cuts off once you stop spraying the secondary fuel and you still have 40 psi once the truck dies?

If this is the case the fuel in your tank may have a lot of water in it sitting at the bottom of the tank.

If this is not the case please explain, leave out no detail the more information you provide the better chance we have of helping.
 
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So your saying you can keep the truck running with secondary fuel in a spray can and the fuel pump stays steady at 40'psi and the truck cuts off once you stop spraying the secondary fuel and you still have 40 psi once the truck dies?

If this is the case the fuel in your tank may have a lot of water in it sitting at the bottom of the tank.

If this is not the case please explain, leave out no detail the more information you provide the better chance we have of helping.
i'm going to drain the gas in the tank and put fresh just in case
 
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Ok great your draining the tank but you did not answer any of my questions.

Without this information it is impossible to help further.
 
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Originally Posted by EaOutlaw
So your saying you can keep the truck running with secondary fuel in a spray can and the fuel pump stays steady at 40'psi and the truck cuts off once you stop spraying the secondary fuel and you still have 40 psi once the truck dies?

If this is the case the fuel in your tank may have a lot of water in it sitting at the bottom of the tank.

If this is not the case please explain, leave out no detail the more information you provide the better chance we have of helping.
OK sorry been working last few days helping the flood victims in Houston. Ok I drain the tank got fresh gas in and put a gauge on. It reads 36 PSI's when pump is running motor not ..when I keep the truck running with starting fluid the pressure holds at 30
 
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OK sorry been working last few days helping the flood victims in Houston. Ok I drain the tank got fresh gas in and put a gauge on. It reads 36 PSI's when pump is running motor not ..when I keep the truck running with starting fluid the pressure holds at 30
BTW if I haven't mentioned it this four cylinder has 8 plugs they're all new plugs & new wires new calls all that
 
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BTW if I haven't mentioned it this four cylinder has 8 plugs they're all new plugs & new wires new calls all that
just wondering how sensitive these rangers are ..do not have my rubber air intake hose on will it still run?
 


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